One thing that bothers me about all this talk about a War in Heaven is the timeline proposed for the destruction or "murder" of Mars, by the explosion of its parent Planet, Planet "V". NASA scientist say it happened nearly 3 billion years ago. The most conservative dates offered by Hoagland and Van Flandern is around 65 million years ago, about the same date as the destruction of the dinosaurs by a six mile wide asteroid crashing into the Yucatan peninsula. The most "radical" estimates by Hoagland are a few million years ago. I don't think that is soon enough!
Here's my reasoning on this. Bear with me. Mars is essentially a dead planet, tectonically speaking. There is no evidence of recent vulcanism (although Olympus Mons is the largest volcano in the solar system), no evidence of earthquakes or plate tectonics. The biggest geologic events on Mars seem to be the occasional meteor crater, dust devils, and sand storms. The surface has seemingly not changed for aeons. Therefore, everything on its surface must be pristine, preserving the moments when Mars was murdered long ago. Right?
Well, no. Besides the aforementioned cratering, wind is a powerful erosive force on Mars. The wind gets so strong that sometimes Mars is completely enveloped by planetary-wide sandstorms, which can obscure the surface to astronomers for weeks, even months at a time. That's an awful lot of dust in the air, a lot of topsoil being moved around from place to place. Over the time spans postulated by NASA or by Hoagland, most of the outstanding features of Mars should have been eroded away. Much of Mars should be a nearly featureless plain by now. Why?
Let's assume that the erosion rate on Mars in 1mm./year. I don't think that's a radical assumption, considering the strength and frequency of dust storms on Mars.
So, if it erodes an average of 1mm/year, in a thousand years, it would have experienced 1 meter, or a little over a yard, of erosion. One million years would result in 1000 meters, or 1 kilometer, of soil being displaced. 65 million years would mean 65 km. of soil displaced vertically! Obviously impossible.
There are riverine systems on Mars - tributary systems, delta, alluvial fans, lake beds, etc. Many of these are delicate features, barely etched into Mars' surface. Erosion would have obliterated these features aeons ago. Something is wrong with the timeline.
Approximately 1000 years ago, the last Ice Age abruptly ended. Many scientists believe a small asteroid or cometary fragment hit earth, releasing a huge amount of heat energy and melting the ice fields, resulting in great flooding, which may account for worldwide myths about a great Flood. It's not entirely unreasonable to assume this, since it would have occurred within the memory of modern man, as we know it. At any rate, the end of the Ice Age enabled people to move into fertile areas previously unavailable to them, gave them a warmer, more stable climate in which to indulge in agricultural activities, thus resulting in an explosion of the neolithic population, resulting in the first towns and temples being built, recently unearthed in southeastern Turkey, and occurring fairly shortly after the Ice Age meltdown.
Let's go back to Mars for a minute and see what rate of erosion would have occurred there over the span of say, oh, about 11,000 years ago? Remember, 1000 years = i meter of displacement. 11,000 years would be 11 meters, or 34 feet. That's enough to erase many of the delicate riverine features now being photographed from space! They can't be much older than that!
If true, then this means Mars' parent planet exploded a little over 11,000 years ago. The cosmic War in Heaven would have occurred within the memory of man. Certainly, we would have no stories of thermonuclear warfare from the Rig Veda if this had occurred millions of years ago. Man's memory certainly doesn't stretch that far back. No, we remember this, we remember an exploding planet and a War in Heaven, because it happened withing the limits of our Neolithic memory. Perhaps the object(s) that hit Earth and melted the Ice Age were debris from the explosion of planet "V"!.
So is a date of 11,000 years ago outrageous to assume for the War in Heaven and the murder of Mars? I don't think so. But then, I'm no NASA scientist. After all, they know everything, don't they?
So what does all of this have to do with us in this day and age? I don't know, I'm still trying to figure that one out.
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very interesting dad. you sure think about things in ways most people dont. nasa prob hardly knows anything about the solar system though im sure they try really hard to make it seem like they know everything.
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Steve Quayle is another guy to listen to who talks ad infinitum about this subject. . . I'm so happy to see people really seriously getting into the Mars history, as it seems to tie into our own quite extensively. I heard there was even air on Mars, now!
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